Look at all those likes! Clearly I am not the only person who read your book. I, like you, can't believe men are such wimps when it comes to standing up to Trump. He's only another guy.
In my eyes she can’t redeem herself. I’m also tired of offering her any recourse towards redeeming herself. I don’t want to excuse Nuzzi or that-billionaire-chasing-perfectly-omniscient-Michelle-Ritter or any of these women who go in eyes open and then act like they were wronged. I know I’ll be harangued for this view but I expect more from my kind, that’s all.
I could not agree more. As if gleeful adultery is something that can be easily swept aside. It can’t be. The failure is one of character. We knew RFK, jr has low character, and now we know for sure Olivia has none.
And plenty who vote for Trump. As G. Will says (with whom I rarely agree) the Trump Fox News administration is "a moral slum." After the Thanksgiving "pardoning" of the turkeys rambling, demented rant, (among dissing everyone he could think of, he was going to ship the unpardoned turkeys to El Salvador !!??) god knows where we're headed...
Santa Ana winds? Raymond Chandler not Didion: "There was a desert wind blowing that night. “It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands’ necks.”
At Le Bilboquet on east 63rd circa 1990’s, the Didion-Dunnes sat serenely on a banquette facing eyes turned to literary royalty. The glory seems to be yours as well. At each sighting, a word or two on the escarpments of our native coast, Hollywood, or my bétises in French cinéma.
Now it makes Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg's video about how dangerous it would be to have her cousin made Sec'y of Health (along with RFK Jr's own sister) all the more poignant and heartbreaking. She is very private, her daughter was already sick, and undergoing experimental treatments and trials (that no one knew about) and nobody paid attention them when who better than them would know how nuts he was? Because of his NAME? No matter what side of politics you're on, even Kamala wouldn't touch him when he first offered his services to her. Then thanks to Sen/Dr. Bill Cassidy who extracted a promise from Bobby "I told him to go wild on healthcare" Kennedy that he would not change the wording on the CDC website linking vaccines to autism...and guess what? He just did. He fired how many people from the CDC and NIH and researchers working on cancer trials not just for Tatiana Schlossberg's rare cancer, but for so many people in this country suffering from so many diseases. Just pulled the plug...and the hope. Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Cancer, and other horrendous diseases. When I saw that private video at a dinner with him where he stated emphatically that the covid virus was bio-engineered to not affect Ashkenazi Jews or Chinese, this Ashkenazi Jewish woman who had covid, as did my entire family all around the country, knew he was a crackpot. And last I looked, wasn't Wuhan in China where the satellites caught the smoke from the crematoriums going 24/7? How many in this country are going to die from his policies and decisions?
Why do these women, like Cheryl Hines, or this Olivia Nuzzi who I know nothing about, subject themselves to this scumbag, whose wife, the mother of his children, killed herself over his philandering and the diary he kept, rating the women he slept with? Why do they think they will be different and change this kind of man? Did she or other women think his text about his "felching" (was that the term?) was a turn on? His wanting her to have his baby? Even I, who am close to 70, and was young during the days of the "swinging singles" and Studio 54, and the crazy times of my youth who saw it all, am absolutely repulsed from him as a man, a husband, a father, and a human being.
I read that dynasties usually die out by the 3rd generation. Well, bye bye Kennedy dynasty. This one put the fork in it and that name is DONE.
I'm not surprised one bit. I just finished listening to a British podcast on yet another famous scumbag called Jeffrey Archer whose books I read as a teenager. More here: https://wondery.com/shows/british-scandal/season/13/
The man did jail time and he had a string of women. Yet one woman stood by him the whole time. Now this woman, his wife, was extraordinarily accomplished in the sciences. I listened to the story dumbfounded by how her spine turned to jello as his story of lying and deception went on. Dame Mary Archer is a British scientist with a Ph.D. from Imperial College London and an M.A. from the University of Oxford. She didn't need this man at all but why did she stand by him all this while?
The capacity of smart women to fool themselves about men is deeply disappointing i agree. But it happens every day and one of them I very much admire ran for president. T
Yup. Relationships where deliberate and repeated offenses don't seem to matter. These ultra smart women also perjure themselves. Anything for the men they love. Makes me want to know more about how Melinda Gates asserted herself in the Epstein case.
Ugh. So happy to be a senior and unattached and never looking again. I think I am even too old for Rupie Murdoch lol. What a bunch of pricks. I miss the old Vanity Fair with Tina and then Graydon Carter. When Dominick Dunne was alive (and some other greats) he would have gone to town on this. I’m sorry he missed it! I still have a subscription just for their paid archives so have the article on Epstein from as far back as 2001, I think written by Vicky Ward . Or the ones after his arrest in 2019. And the dishy ones on the 🍊 Tyrant and Ivana and Marla and Melania. At least Melinda Gates dumped Bill’s revolting ass. You know, I’ve been thinking a lot about this especially after you mentioned Dame Archer. No one knows what goes on behind the doors of a marriage, but it’s not just their money that keeps many women with these men. Many times it has nothing to do with love. It’s their power and prestige. Maybe many lead separate lives. Maybe they are having their own affairs and it’s mutually beneficial, but running with pedophiles and sex traffickers? At least for Melinda that was just a bridge too far. If it was a “regular” affair, she may have stayed. Look at Hillary and Bill Clinton. He’s the biggest horndog President that we knew about even when he was running the first time, but they are still together. Maybe they are dear friends and intellectual equals. I don’t know. I’m a regular “nobody”. I don’t know or run with famous, brilliant, sexually deviant zillionaires 🤣 I think if there was the internet when JFK and RFK were alive, there would have been no “Camelot”. No Kennedy dynasty. Look at Teddy Kennedy and what his beautiful and talented wife Joan endured. No wonder she turned to drink🍸Their father Joe was a disgusting pig too. They would have been outed with Marilyn Monroe and the hookers and girlfriends. RFK and Ethel had what, 11 kids? So many of them screwed up. It’s why Jackie O did not want Caroline and JFK Jr hanging with them.
But lots of these 2nd or 3rd “trophy” wives were hookers themselves like our Slovenian “Verst Leddy”. Please. She was in on it all the way. Did you ever hear of “Madame Claude”? She was originally in Europe but then came here. She was famous for having the highest class of stunning escorts…err…hookers. Global Royalty, Gov’t, Business Scions, men in the highest echelons of society (before we had these common influencers) Hollywood stars, etc. These hookers were all elegant and beautiful of the highest “standards” and several of them wound up married to their “clients” ( Vanity Fair article too. Everything I learned about life and these kinds of people were from Vanity Fair). Now, I don’t know who half these younger people are, but money and power and prestige is what these people are after. And if they have to “felch” or swing from the chandeliers or whatever they can stomach to get it, they will. And many are happy to stay with each other if they have agreements…and of course for the women, popping out a kid or two seals the deal for life.
Alas all true. Women are not always victims. Sometimes they just want the perks and will do anything to get them. I published that Madame Claude piece by James Fox. It was so much fun. T
I agree on Tina, Graydon and VF. Graydon's editorial takedowns of Trump were worth the subscription, although he blew it on the Epstein story. A fan of E. Jean, too -- somewhere in my Commonplace notes is a wonderful cosmic quote from her. I need to find that....
Woah! Now you're making me crave a subscription to Vanity Fair. How many such can I subscribe to? I'm in Silicon Valley but I don't have that kind of money:-)))) Off to read this Claude piece which, by the way, is not behind a pay wall, cool:-)
Wow this was a scorcher and right on every bit of it. And I blame the pathetic Bill Cassidy for folding and hope he feels the burning guilt he should T
Please tell me a redeeming quality Olivia has? Literally sleeping her way to the top, haughty and stupid book? I hope VF cans her ass and she ends up at Reader's Digest (I'm that old). How anyone can laud her regarding her journalism is insane. You're better than this.
When I heard Nuzzi was now going to be a West Coast editor of Vanity Fair, I immediately canceled my subscription. That mag has gone in a bad direction. Yuk.
Wow! Tina…..you are one heck of a writer. Glad im a subscriber. What a tawdry tale. Glad you included remarks relating to Tatiana, Caroline Kennedy’s daughter, and the damage her cousin is doing to our health system.
Count myself fortunate never to have heard of Nuzzi. Tale of two Kennedys one sharing her challenge of being faced with a life limiting illness just as she started her own wee family. The other ….well morally bankrupt.
The Brit Bliztkrieg strikes again! You are the Robin Williams to written societal and cultural commentary! With your latest and greatest, "pillow mouthed Nuzzi," maybe The Pillow Guy was a better match? Nuzzi, Nazzi, Noisy? It's hard to tell these days ain't it? A sexting scandal with RFK, (Really F•cking Kinky) Jr.? Of course, " She even loved his brain worm..." Sounds like the title to the new C&W hit from the latest Taylor Sheridan epic. Me thinks Dolly Parton might be jealous with this one. How does a guy get a date with, "Pursed-lipped publishing nuns?". Raised in a Catholic school this sounds adventurous! American Canto, or was it American Can't O............. I think I need I cigarette even though I don't smoke.
Seems lately a rash of self-incriminating journalists are giving a black eye to the profession in one-two punches not seen since Norman Mailer and Gore Vidal, only they weren’t sleeping with one another, or were they?
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E. Jean, you do too
Oh, Thank you, Louise!
Look at all those likes! Clearly I am not the only person who read your book. I, like you, can't believe men are such wimps when it comes to standing up to Trump. He's only another guy.
Love you for saying this, EJ! T
In my eyes she can’t redeem herself. I’m also tired of offering her any recourse towards redeeming herself. I don’t want to excuse Nuzzi or that-billionaire-chasing-perfectly-omniscient-Michelle-Ritter or any of these women who go in eyes open and then act like they were wronged. I know I’ll be harangued for this view but I expect more from my kind, that’s all.
You nailed it ! T
No haranguing from me: I agree with you completely.
This crowd not letting her get off lightly! T
I could not agree more. As if gleeful adultery is something that can be easily swept aside. It can’t be. The failure is one of character. We knew RFK, jr has low character, and now we know for sure Olivia has none.
Career change in her near future. Her credibility is toast.
Will be hard to get a second comeback but she will probably zoom to top of the list T
Interesting you say that. From what I can see, other pubs don't think so??? Here's my take https://kalsomuchtosay.substack.com/p/the-bold-the-beautiful-and-the-so
This culture does love crash and burners T
Tim Miller Scoop with Olivia while she feigns a coyness. . .
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/olivia-nuzzi-breaks-her-silence
We will never know how many lives will have been lost to Robert Kennedy's recklessness and Trump's and the Senate's recklessness in appointing him.
I don't know anyone who does not have a relative or friend who has cancer. Kennedy is the enemy of all humanity.
That's what is heinous about all this. Maybe if she had let people know he 's doing Ketamine it could have kept him from being confirmed .
Sorry, Tina, I'm not sure there's a way to redeem someone who has an affair with RFK, Jr. Ewwww!!!!
Share the view but there are plenty out there who don't. T
And plenty who vote for Trump. As G. Will says (with whom I rarely agree) the Trump Fox News administration is "a moral slum." After the Thanksgiving "pardoning" of the turkeys rambling, demented rant, (among dissing everyone he could think of, he was going to ship the unpardoned turkeys to El Salvador !!??) god knows where we're headed...
Santa Ana winds? Raymond Chandler not Didion: "There was a desert wind blowing that night. “It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands’ necks.”
You are so right on Chandler but i think Didion too? T
At Le Bilboquet on east 63rd circa 1990’s, the Didion-Dunnes sat serenely on a banquette facing eyes turned to literary royalty. The glory seems to be yours as well. At each sighting, a word or two on the escarpments of our native coast, Hollywood, or my bétises in French cinéma.
Yes, Didion as well. Thanks, Tina--
What a circus.
Nuzzi is pretty damn hot, that's one obvious takeaway.
And then the Kennedy family. How many ways can they invent tragedy?
There are no words for RFK jr.
For Tatiana, sadness and empathy.
So she's hot. BFD. She's an utter fool.
Now it makes Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg's video about how dangerous it would be to have her cousin made Sec'y of Health (along with RFK Jr's own sister) all the more poignant and heartbreaking. She is very private, her daughter was already sick, and undergoing experimental treatments and trials (that no one knew about) and nobody paid attention them when who better than them would know how nuts he was? Because of his NAME? No matter what side of politics you're on, even Kamala wouldn't touch him when he first offered his services to her. Then thanks to Sen/Dr. Bill Cassidy who extracted a promise from Bobby "I told him to go wild on healthcare" Kennedy that he would not change the wording on the CDC website linking vaccines to autism...and guess what? He just did. He fired how many people from the CDC and NIH and researchers working on cancer trials not just for Tatiana Schlossberg's rare cancer, but for so many people in this country suffering from so many diseases. Just pulled the plug...and the hope. Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Cancer, and other horrendous diseases. When I saw that private video at a dinner with him where he stated emphatically that the covid virus was bio-engineered to not affect Ashkenazi Jews or Chinese, this Ashkenazi Jewish woman who had covid, as did my entire family all around the country, knew he was a crackpot. And last I looked, wasn't Wuhan in China where the satellites caught the smoke from the crematoriums going 24/7? How many in this country are going to die from his policies and decisions?
Why do these women, like Cheryl Hines, or this Olivia Nuzzi who I know nothing about, subject themselves to this scumbag, whose wife, the mother of his children, killed herself over his philandering and the diary he kept, rating the women he slept with? Why do they think they will be different and change this kind of man? Did she or other women think his text about his "felching" (was that the term?) was a turn on? His wanting her to have his baby? Even I, who am close to 70, and was young during the days of the "swinging singles" and Studio 54, and the crazy times of my youth who saw it all, am absolutely repulsed from him as a man, a husband, a father, and a human being.
I read that dynasties usually die out by the 3rd generation. Well, bye bye Kennedy dynasty. This one put the fork in it and that name is DONE.
I'm not surprised one bit. I just finished listening to a British podcast on yet another famous scumbag called Jeffrey Archer whose books I read as a teenager. More here: https://wondery.com/shows/british-scandal/season/13/
The man did jail time and he had a string of women. Yet one woman stood by him the whole time. Now this woman, his wife, was extraordinarily accomplished in the sciences. I listened to the story dumbfounded by how her spine turned to jello as his story of lying and deception went on. Dame Mary Archer is a British scientist with a Ph.D. from Imperial College London and an M.A. from the University of Oxford. She didn't need this man at all but why did she stand by him all this while?
The capacity of smart women to fool themselves about men is deeply disappointing i agree. But it happens every day and one of them I very much admire ran for president. T
I remember Jeffrey Archer. I read him years ago too. I have no idea what drives smart and accomplished women into these relationships.
see above
Yup. Relationships where deliberate and repeated offenses don't seem to matter. These ultra smart women also perjure themselves. Anything for the men they love. Makes me want to know more about how Melinda Gates asserted herself in the Epstein case.
Ugh. So happy to be a senior and unattached and never looking again. I think I am even too old for Rupie Murdoch lol. What a bunch of pricks. I miss the old Vanity Fair with Tina and then Graydon Carter. When Dominick Dunne was alive (and some other greats) he would have gone to town on this. I’m sorry he missed it! I still have a subscription just for their paid archives so have the article on Epstein from as far back as 2001, I think written by Vicky Ward . Or the ones after his arrest in 2019. And the dishy ones on the 🍊 Tyrant and Ivana and Marla and Melania. At least Melinda Gates dumped Bill’s revolting ass. You know, I’ve been thinking a lot about this especially after you mentioned Dame Archer. No one knows what goes on behind the doors of a marriage, but it’s not just their money that keeps many women with these men. Many times it has nothing to do with love. It’s their power and prestige. Maybe many lead separate lives. Maybe they are having their own affairs and it’s mutually beneficial, but running with pedophiles and sex traffickers? At least for Melinda that was just a bridge too far. If it was a “regular” affair, she may have stayed. Look at Hillary and Bill Clinton. He’s the biggest horndog President that we knew about even when he was running the first time, but they are still together. Maybe they are dear friends and intellectual equals. I don’t know. I’m a regular “nobody”. I don’t know or run with famous, brilliant, sexually deviant zillionaires 🤣 I think if there was the internet when JFK and RFK were alive, there would have been no “Camelot”. No Kennedy dynasty. Look at Teddy Kennedy and what his beautiful and talented wife Joan endured. No wonder she turned to drink🍸Their father Joe was a disgusting pig too. They would have been outed with Marilyn Monroe and the hookers and girlfriends. RFK and Ethel had what, 11 kids? So many of them screwed up. It’s why Jackie O did not want Caroline and JFK Jr hanging with them.
But lots of these 2nd or 3rd “trophy” wives were hookers themselves like our Slovenian “Verst Leddy”. Please. She was in on it all the way. Did you ever hear of “Madame Claude”? She was originally in Europe but then came here. She was famous for having the highest class of stunning escorts…err…hookers. Global Royalty, Gov’t, Business Scions, men in the highest echelons of society (before we had these common influencers) Hollywood stars, etc. These hookers were all elegant and beautiful of the highest “standards” and several of them wound up married to their “clients” ( Vanity Fair article too. Everything I learned about life and these kinds of people were from Vanity Fair). Now, I don’t know who half these younger people are, but money and power and prestige is what these people are after. And if they have to “felch” or swing from the chandeliers or whatever they can stomach to get it, they will. And many are happy to stay with each other if they have agreements…and of course for the women, popping out a kid or two seals the deal for life.
Alas all true. Women are not always victims. Sometimes they just want the perks and will do anything to get them. I published that Madame Claude piece by James Fox. It was so much fun. T
I agree on Tina, Graydon and VF. Graydon's editorial takedowns of Trump were worth the subscription, although he blew it on the Epstein story. A fan of E. Jean, too -- somewhere in my Commonplace notes is a wonderful cosmic quote from her. I need to find that....
Woah! Now you're making me crave a subscription to Vanity Fair. How many such can I subscribe to? I'm in Silicon Valley but I don't have that kind of money:-)))) Off to read this Claude piece which, by the way, is not behind a pay wall, cool:-)
Wow this was a scorcher and right on every bit of it. And I blame the pathetic Bill Cassidy for folding and hope he feels the burning guilt he should T
Thank you for answering me 🔥❤
This scandal has it all, unfortunately T
Please tell me a redeeming quality Olivia has? Literally sleeping her way to the top, haughty and stupid book? I hope VF cans her ass and she ends up at Reader's Digest (I'm that old). How anyone can laud her regarding her journalism is insane. You're better than this.
I think the future is not bright for ON but we will see T
Your assessments are always spot on! Thank you for your superb writing and insight.
Much appreciative ! T
When I heard Nuzzi was now going to be a West Coast editor of Vanity Fair, I immediately canceled my subscription. That mag has gone in a bad direction. Yuk.
Wow! Tina…..you are one heck of a writer. Glad im a subscriber. What a tawdry tale. Glad you included remarks relating to Tatiana, Caroline Kennedy’s daughter, and the damage her cousin is doing to our health system.
Thankyou. The Tatiana story so heartbreaking and so puts ON and the demented RFK into perspective T
She could but she won’t (redeem herself) bc her brand is apparently ick. Thanks for always saying what we are all thinking, Tina.
Brand ick is the word. Love this new moniker
It feels so now, right? Like the drunk raccoon and Pantone disaster.
Count myself fortunate never to have heard of Nuzzi. Tale of two Kennedys one sharing her challenge of being faced with a life limiting illness just as she started her own wee family. The other ….well morally bankrupt.
I know. As a morality tale, its amazing T
Yes to every word of this.
Dear T,
The Brit Bliztkrieg strikes again! You are the Robin Williams to written societal and cultural commentary! With your latest and greatest, "pillow mouthed Nuzzi," maybe The Pillow Guy was a better match? Nuzzi, Nazzi, Noisy? It's hard to tell these days ain't it? A sexting scandal with RFK, (Really F•cking Kinky) Jr.? Of course, " She even loved his brain worm..." Sounds like the title to the new C&W hit from the latest Taylor Sheridan epic. Me thinks Dolly Parton might be jealous with this one. How does a guy get a date with, "Pursed-lipped publishing nuns?". Raised in a Catholic school this sounds adventurous! American Canto, or was it American Can't O............. I think I need I cigarette even though I don't smoke.
This is so funny you should set it to music T
Nuzzi the Opera? If you help me write the score, you're on.
Tatiana Schlossberg has done a great service to her country by writing that New Yorker piece. She is a talented writer.
On the other hand, her cousin, RFK, Jr., is positively reptilian.
Peace be with you, Ms. Schlossberg.
Amen to that T
Seems lately a rash of self-incriminating journalists are giving a black eye to the profession in one-two punches not seen since Norman Mailer and Gore Vidal, only they weren’t sleeping with one another, or were they?
It is a depressing rash of blows to the profession, I agree. But i think in Gore and Norman;s fate all the animus was cerebral thank God T